Adam DeGraide:
Coming up today on David Vs Goliath.
Ran Aroussi:
The war started and essentially development pretty much altered. Some of the guys were recruited to go and fight.
Adam DeGraide:
You wake up every morning and you grab a bowl of trade and that’s what you eat every single day.
Speaker 3:
Welcome to today’s episode of David Vs Goliath, a podcast dedicated to helping small businesses leverage technology to not only help them compete against their large competitors, but win. Your host is currently the CEO of Anthem Business Software, a three-time Inc. 500 recipient, and a serial entrepreneur with a passion to help small businesses everywhere, find, serve, and keep more customers profitably. Please join me in welcoming your host, Adam DeGraide.
Adam DeGraide:
Hey, everyone. It’s Adam DeGraide from the David Vs Goliath podcast. Hopefully, everyone’s having a great day today. Today, we have Ran Aroussi from Tradologics. He’s the CEO and founder. A software company dedicated to making market trading, including crypto, easier and more effective and efficient. Should be very interesting. Today’s episode is brought to you by automatemysocial.com, where if you’re a small business, you can automate 90% to 100% of your social media, the creation of it, the strategy of it, the deployment of it, and one company even said the other day when they switched over to automatemysocial.com, they saved $48,000 a year plus benefits. Just think about that. Check it out today at automatemysocial.com. You can also visit us online at davidvsgoliathpodcast.com, then you can subscribe and apply to be on the podcast. Well, with no further ado, let’s get right into it. Ran, welcome to the David Vs Goliath podcast.
Ran Aroussi:
Hi. Welcome, everybody. Thank you for having me. Glad to be here.
Adam DeGraide:
Now, I always pre-record my intros, and I’m usually right about the pronunciation of the last name of my guests I would say 85% of the time. How do you say your last name?
Ran Aroussi:
My last name is Aroussi. It’s a bit hard. Yeah.
Adam DeGraide:
Aroussi. I think I did it. I think I nailed it.
Ran Aroussi:
All right. Yeah.
Adam DeGraide:
Ran Aroussi. I think I did it. We’re going to find out, when you watch it a couple weeks from now, you’ll know whether I got it right or not. It’s so funny because I love people with similar passions, and I was actually checking out your website, and on one part of it, you had the phrase, “One API to rule them all.” Clearly, a reference to the Lord of the Rings of J.R.R. Tolkien, one of the inklings from Oxford University along with CS Lewis and his fellow compadres. It was fascinating because the previous company I just sold back in 2020, the very first website that I created for that company was one system to rule them all.
Ran Aroussi:
Rule them all. Nice.
Adam DeGraide:
You have to. When something is that powerful and that good, you got to start there.
Ran Aroussi:
Exactly.
Adam DeGraide:
In layman’s terms, because obviously, when you’re dealing with software code and Python and Java and all these things, it can be lost sometimes on the average business person who’s thinking about starting a business. They get afraid of building software because they don’t understand the technology of the terms. Tell the folks what Tradologics does in very simple terminology, and then we’ll get into some more of the complexities later on.
Ran Aroussi:
Okay. You know what? Instead of telling what it is, I’ll start with an analogy from something that more people know about. Let’s take, for example, you’re a blogger and you want to start a food blog. You have two options, and 20 years ago, you only had the one. You have to write the blog post, you have to create the website, which means designs, programming, set up the server, set up the domain, do all of that stuff, and at the very end, what’s really important and the reason that people come to your website is because you have good content, right? It’s not because you set up the domain in a perfect way. If we take this analogy to the programming, to the programmatic trading world today, in order to execute a trading strategy, and it could be very simple, it could be, “I want to buy a stock that was down three days in a row because I’m expecting some bounce back.” It doesn’t have to be rocket science.
The rule itself is very simple. If it’s down three days, buy, but now you have to wear a ton of different hats. You have to fetch the data and clean it, and set up the servers and the connectivity, and monitor your position. There’s a lot of technical stuff that goes into that, but at the end of the day, you’re going to make or lose money due to your trading idea and not because of your technology. If I go back to the analogy, today’s world, you just hop into wordpress.com, wix.com or whatever, just focus on the content. You don’t really have to bother yourself with the underlying technology. We want to bring that same level of abstraction to the trading world so you can focus on your great trading idea and not about connectivity, execution, risk management, all that stuff.
Adam DeGraide:
That makes a lot of sense now. When I read your website, it says, “You focus on your algo,” which I believe means algorithm, short for algorithm, “and then we’ll take care of the rest.” It’s almost like Tradologics has built the plumbing, so to speak, to connect all of these platforms together. You can then layer on top of it your business rules that you think is your genius trading strategy, and you can set up rules like stock down three days, this percentage, buy, hold for X, wait for this, sell at Y, right? That’s the way you built the software, and so people can layer their own personal trading strategy or a company can layer its own personal trading strategy onto the backbone of your plumbing and your connectivity to the different networks to trade effectively and efficiently. Am I saying that pretty accurately?
Ran Aroussi:
You are saying it perfectly. That’s exactly the idea. We see ourselves as-
Adam DeGraide:
Again, man, I’m saying it perfectly. If you need someone in sales, I’m looking for a job.
Ran Aroussi:
Come on board.
Adam DeGraide:
I’m hired. I’m sorry, continue on.
Ran Aroussi:
Yeah, we see ourselves as an AWS type of platform that’s specifically designed for trading. We have lots of different products that, as you mentioned, you can use and layer on top of each other, just like Lego, to build your own custom-designed platform that’s right for your trading style because here it is, there’s something about building platforms like this. You cannot create an experience that isn’t obstructed just because there are so many different trading style. Some people are portfolio traders, some are insert days, some long short, some futures for crypto. There’s tons of different instruments.
There’s really no way to create one platform that will cater to all of these different trading style unless you break it down into its core components and how people can use this Lego type of architecture to build exactly what they need. It sounds maybe a bit more complex than it is, but just as you mentioned, you set up the rules. If this happens in the market, just let me know, send a ping to my strategy, and I will execute an order. Once it’s executed, Tradologics will take over, monitor your P&L, let you know if something is out of your thresholds. It’s very easy for you to just really focus on the if then part of the business and not the other technical aspects of it.
Adam DeGraide:
Yeah, it’s amazing how many different pieces of technology I’m even integrating in my new CRM software, marketing automation software. We have a lot of pipelines that have been built because the pipeline’s the biggest pain in the butt to manage. If you know what you want to do and you have a good idea for it, you layer the foundation, the plumbing, so to speak, and then you can build the pretty mausoleum on top of it to make people enjoy their experience. Now, you did mention a couple of really awesome technologies that have evolved over the years. You mentioned WordPress, you mentioned Wix, you look at Squarespace, all these, even GoDaddy’s web builder is managing the CSS, so people don’t have to worry about it anymore.
Then you have these amazing programs like Canva that have been added into the graphical world where graphic artists are contributing their talents, but an average show like Ran, an average show like Adam can still look like we’re amazing graphic artists because we are leveraging good graphic artists templates. Is that something that Tradologics is also providing? In other words, you’re not just providing the plumbing, but are you providing the drag and drop functionality to build the if then statements, or are you relying more on somebody who has that programming knowledge on the top layer, so to speak, the UI/UX world and even some of their language, whether it’s Java or Python, or C++, or whatever the case may be? Is it more a top layer-
Ran Aroussi:
It’s somewhere in between. We provide you with drag and drop interface, for example, to build pipelines. To filter down, let’s say that you don’t know which stocks you want to trade today, you just want them to follow a specific set of rules. The volume is unusually high and they had an earnings report yesterday, whatever it is, so you build your pipeline and you start with the entire CP500, and you filter it down to, I don’t know, five, 10 stocks or whatever it is. To build something like this, you’re using our drag and drop interface and all that cool stuff, but at the end of the day, when it comes to sending the data to your strategy, there is some coding that you have to do.
Now, the approach that we took is we’ll do as much for you as possible, but at the end of the day, you’re the one to have to make the trading decision proactively. We do not want to, based on your rules, just send an order and take control over your money. We just don’t want that to happen. We’re going to give you as much information as possible for you to make the trading decision, and then you can send your order. You do need to still do some coding, but your code base is about 2% of what it used to be just because we take care of all the other stuff.
Adam DeGraide:
Set up a thousand lines of [inaudible 00:10:52] you’re writing 20 lines of code instead of a thousand because you’ve already written the other.
Ran Aroussi:
Yeah, definitely.
Adam DeGraide:
That’s great. Ran, we’re going to take a break from our first corporate sponsor here on David Vs Goliath, but stay tuned, you’re with Ran from Tradologics and handsome host, Adam DeGraide, from the David Vs Goliath podcast. Here’s a very important message from Automate My Social, leveraging technology to save thousands. We’ll be right back.
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Adam DeGraide:
We’re back with the guy who eats trading for a living, Ran from Tradologics. There’s no doubt about it. You wake up every morning and you grab a bowl of trade and that’s what you eat every single day. Now, I love to talk about people when we talk about business because it’s one of the five pillars. You’ve got plans and goals, you’ve got the right people, you’ve got the right technology, you have the right process, your people are using these tools in technology, and then you have courage to start your own business. One of the things I thought was fascinating when I was reading on your website here a little bit about preparing for this because I do, believe it or not, I’m not just another pretty face. I actually spend time to read about-
Ran Aroussi:
It is a pretty face.
Adam DeGraide:
Oh, it’s so pretty it makes myself sick. It’s like Echo, a narcissist. I don’t know if you know anything about those Greek gods. I stare at myself in the reflection and go, “Oh, you’re so beautiful.” No, I don’t do that. Anyway, it talked about how you are currently leveraging some of your people resources in Ukraine, and you started a company during a world global pandemic, whether or not you believe there was a plandemic. Sorry, I didn’t mean to say plandemic. I’ll get banned off if I say the wrong thing. Pandemic or not. There was still a pandemic and we all get screwed by it no matter what it was, and then you couple that now with the fact that a part of your team is in Ukraine. That seems like a lot of headwind for you. Talk to the folks a little bit about the structure of your team, some of the challenges you’ve had starting during a world pandemic, and then continuing now working with people that are in the middle of a crisis themselves.
Ran Aroussi:
Yeah. I actually started the company while I was still living in Israel, and I’ve been in London for the past two years and a little bit more than that. I started the company when I was in Israel and I was looking to hire a team that will be around my time zone. I wanted a fully remote company and I was looking for good talent from pretty much the same time zone in Ukraine and Israel using exact same time zone. This was a very nice go-to. I searched for those outsourcing companies and reviewed their codes and found one that looked great, but after a few months of working together, we formed a deeper partnership and they became fully integrated into the company. Then once I moved to the UK, again, right in the middle of the height of the pandemic and the lockdowns and everything, so we had to go through that, and once this was over and this was finally a time for us to actually get together and meet each other in person, something that we’ve never done, the war between Russia and Ukraine started.
Adam DeGraide:
You still haven’t met them in person?
Ran Aroussi:
Oh, yeah. I never met them in person. No. The only two guys I’ve met in person are the ones that I’ve known previously, and they’re working based in Israel. Yeah, so the war started, and immediately, it really took a toll. Essentially, development pretty much altered completely for a sustained period. All our schedule was pushed month after month after month with no end in sight. Some of the guys were recruited to go and fight. Some of the guys volunteered to take care of their community and their town, and were in charge of providing supplies and getting their families out of main areas where there was were bombings.
Yeah, it was a really, really rough period. It’s by no means over, but currently, it’s sad to say, but it’s gotten used to that new normal where they have scheduled blackouts for about eight to 10 hours a day just to conserve energy, so they’re using mobile data. Thanks, Apple, for the long battery life on their new laptops, so they’re able to do some work just to both in order to make progress and in order to forget a little bit about what’s going on around them and just focus on work.
Adam DeGraide:
Now, I have a question for you on that. That’s you being the CEO and the founder now. That’s a big decision to keep that going there. Have you had to figure out in the event of a crisis an alternative for your business, or are you all in on this and you’re just praying it’s going to be smooth and get over quick?
Ran Aroussi:
Well, again, it’s a bit of both. Yeah, we do have a backup plan. We’ve interviewed a bunch of other people from other areas, but this all comes down to both loyalty. These people have been with me since day one, and everybody’s replaceable, blah, blah, blah, but they’ve been there from day one and they’ve been with me through thick and thin. They’ve worked all through the night whenever it was needed. I’m just not going to say, “You know what, guys? That’s it. I need to switch my factory, quote, unquote, “to a different place,” so no, I’m sticking with these guys.
Also, coming from Israel, I’m used to the fact of life goes on while bombs flying occasionally and stuff like that. I really hope for this to be over as soon as possible. If I have to bet, I don’t think it’s going to be over soon. I think it will boil down to some sort of status quo type of thing, maybe in the lower intensity, but
it’s going to remain there for a while, this thing. Yeah, [inaudible 00:20:39] just cannot allow himself to say, “You know what? This was a mistake. Let’s pack our things and go.” He’s not in this position, and obviously, the Ukrainians are not in the position to just give away their country because someone decided that he wants it. Yeah, tough situation.
Adam DeGraide:
It is a tough situation, but it’s admirable that you’re being loyal. I do think it’s also prudent to at least have some sort of backup outside resources God forbid something really tragic happens, but I give you a lot of credit for sticking with it. Now, internally, besides the programming staff, do you have other team members or another partners?
Ran Aroussi:
Yeah, I have growth team that are based in France, in Paris. I have two guys in Israel that I’ve been working with for years now on both on the tech and the admin side. I have a great graphic designer from Ghana in Africa. Yeah, overall, pretty happy with the team.
Adam DeGraide:
(Singing) Well, you definitely have a global company. What I love about it too is my company currently is all remote, so one of the things that was important for us, Ran, was having people that could speak fluent in English, really fluent in English. I’ve worked with a lot of overseas teams myself as well. We chose some cats out of Serbia, which have done a great job. I don’t know if they like calling them cats, but nevertheless there’s some cat. I’m an American, so we call people cats. Cool cats. Cool dogs. These cats are from Serbia. They’ve been amazing. The biggest benefit has been their English is just perfect because I’m not great.
My instincts tell me, Ran, that you speak multiple languages. I can barely speak English, so I have to make sure that I work with people that actually know my native tongue and which is a little bit New England and a little bit English. It’s been very, very beneficial. We’re going to take another break from another sponsor, and when we come back, I want to talk about two things. Number one, how you funded the business because people love to know that, and then number two, why on earth did you start this thing when you had a great job in the AdTech world? We’re going to discuss that right after the break with Ran from Tradologics and Adam DeGraide from David Vs Glide podcast. Stay tuned. We’ll be right back.
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Adam DeGraide:
We’re back for the final segment. Once again, I’m sure my watchers and listeners can hear that my voice is barely back. I struggle with this. Whatever the hell this thing they call RSV or whatever they… They have to name everything. Why do we have to name every single illness that we get, and why do we have to blame everyone for giving it to us? I’m 51 years old, Ran, and you don’t have to answer any of this, but this is just going to be my rant. I’m 51 years old. I’ve been sick so many times in my life. My mom didn’t walk in, she didn’t say to me when I was a kid, “Oh, you’ve got the RSV strand B from Indonesia.” No, she would be like, “Hey, here’s some Tylenol, here’s some Advil, watch the prices right, lay in bed, you’re going to be fine.”
Today, you got to go get swabbed and you got to do this and that. I think it’s all nonsense. Anyway, I did struggle with this whatever the hell it is, and I just got over it again. Look at me, what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger, and Ran knows that. Now, Ran, we have a lot of people that watch and listen to the David Vs Goliath podcast that have a great idea but haven’t got funded yet. All right? Tell them how did you fund Tradologics, and how are you funding it right now, and then we’ll switch gears to why you decided to leave the AdTech world to take on something like this because this is not a small feat. Funding first. Number two, why are you crazy and deciding to do this?
Ran Aroussi:
All right. Let’s start with the funding. When the idea come to mind, I started to create some different versions of it and decided, “You know what? This is just not going to work without funding.” First, I need a way to sustain both myself and to hire a team for a long period of time in order to actually make this a dream a reality, so I started with some… It was actually crazy. I had one childhood friend that decided, “You know what? I’m going to put in some money,” so it was the first commitment. I would’ve obviously taken it. I took it, but not right there and then because I knew that I needed more, so I went to get some more in order to get a bit of pull together.
I’ve downloaded a list of VCs that invest in early stage startup in the FinTech, and I started just emailing them, called emailing with one pager and a quick two minutes video that I’ve created and said, “Hey, why didn’t you give me a chance and let me pitch this thing to you?” To my amazement, I’ve actually gotten a reply from the first one that I’ve… I just went alphabetically. My first investor was VC from Silicon Valley called at.inc. They invest in early stage startups like pre-seed and seed. They were the first institutional investor. My childhood friend joined with a bunch of other angel investors. Yeah, go ahead.
Adam DeGraide:
Hold on one second. This is important because I don’t want the watchers and listeners to miss this. So often when a point is made that’s profound, it’s missed, and so I want to stop. Think about what Ran just said. First of all, he had a friend that believed in him, knew his character. That was awesome, and he’s about to tell us that part of the story, but what Ran did was he knew this segment he was trying to go into and so he started cold calling these people. He found out he did research on his own, he created his own list, he started to smile and dial, and guess what happens?
Ran Aroussi:
Smile and email, but yeah.
Adam DeGraide:
Smile in an email. He sent him a little video. They’re seeing your face. At least you’re a human, but you did the work, man. So many people sit back and they say, “Oh, I don’t know how to do this. I don’t know where to start.” You start. Have you ever heard Google? Who invests in these type of companies early startups? Boom, they’ll start to appear. Don’t be afraid of doing that. I give you a lot of kudos, by the way, because it takes [inaudible 00:29:03] and it takes determination and grit to do that, so good for you. I’m proud of you, Ran. Now, switching back, your friends about to come on board. Tell us that story.
Ran Aroussi:
We’ve been friends since we were 12. We’ve been neighbors and we went to school together, so we’ve essentially spent our entire childhood together. We’ve been in business before. One of my first businesses was a web design, a development firm, back in 1997, and we were partners there, so yeah.
Adam DeGraide:
I did that too.
Ran Aroussi:
Yeah. We had to spend most of the meetings trying to explain what the internet is before getting to talk about the website.
Adam DeGraide:
It’s so funny you say that, man. We literally was against all copyright laws, but we took the song right now by Van Halen and we created this. We didn’t know anything about copyright laws back. I was a young kid. For car dealers, we created this thing called Right Now, and it showed how their customers are going from hating the showroom floor to going online shopping in their pajamas, and it was so true. You couldn’t even imagine a car dealer not having the inventory online, but when we started it in ’97, I think, is when I started my first business on the internet, when we built the software for dealers, we built a whole integrated CRM solution, the whole thing early on, early SaaS, very early SaaS, and we had to convince him that the internet was a place that people were going to be researching vehicle. It’s so funny you say that. It’s so true. Continue.
Ran Aroussi:
Yeah, so he decided to just put in money. I pitched the idea. I said, “Okay, this is Bloomberg 2.0. I believe that if we do this right, in 10, 15 years, this could be the infrastructure for trading.” Yeah, he wasn’t bored without really thinking about it too much. He got another mutual acquaintance of ours that decided to also put in some money and two other angel investors. All in all, we’ve done I think was $250,000 in a precede, so we got some money to move on with it. I think about a year later, when we started to show some traction, we had a wait list that just kept growing, and my open source libraries also gotten more and more people using them. We got to a point where I said, “You know what? Let’s try to go and raise a seed just because, well, not just because, one, because we can, and this is always a good opportunity when the market conditions just gives you that opportunity, and because we’re running out of money.” These two things combined, it was a perfect moment for us.
Adam DeGraide:
Let’s be honest, Ran. The most important thing was you’re running out of money.
Ran Aroussi:
Yeah, definitely.
Adam DeGraide:
It’s important. Without money, nothing’s going to happen, so I think that’s great.
Ran Aroussi:
To use an analogy from trading, the goal of someone who’s trading professionally is first, not lose money, and then vicariously, you’re going to make money. The whole goal is just make sure that you have enough money to play another day. Just stay alive. As long as you can keep the lights on, time is on your side.
Adam DeGraide:
That is very, very true because a good friend of mine who was a New Ageist, although I’m not a New Ager, she was always into this whole concept that a void must be filled. I was an early radio sales guy, and my pipe, let’s say I had to close 10 deals a month, I’d have only eight. I’ve had three days late. She would say to me, “Don’t worry about it, Adam. That’s a void, and a void always must be filled,” and I would be like, “I love it. Are you going to buy something from me? Are you just going to tell me a void must be filled?” At some point, gibberish is gibberish, but you know what? More often than not, she’s been right in my life. When there is a void and there’s something has to get in there, it does have a tendency to fill itself. Otherwise, crash and burn.
That itself is filling itself too because if you’re not supposed to be doing something, it’ll also fail as well too, but if you are supposed to be doing something, I believe, for me, it’s God, he will absolutely make a way for you. That’s awesome. How about switching gears really quickly because we’re running out of time? The courage it takes. I love talking about courage, I’m sure, because you’ve seen a few episodes of this. It’s not for the faint of heart to leave a good paying job with good benefits and a big AdTech sector like you were in to say, “I think I can do this thing,” and now you have so many other people relying on you. That’s important. That’s why your loyalty to the people in Ukraine that are programming with you is admirable. There’s something in you that’s innately there. What is it for you that gives you that courageous spirit to not be afraid to take the risks that you’re currently taking?
Ran Aroussi:
I don’t know. Maybe I just don’t know any better. When I was working in AdTech, and I know how familiar you are with the industry, but every time you look at an ad, there’s thousands of advertisers competing in real time for your… Obviously, it’s done programmatically because of the speed, but there’s thousands of advertisers competing in real time to get this view, to get this eyeball. We were building exchanges for online media, and doing arbitrage, and serving way over two billion ads every day, so it was a very high techy, techy world.
Some of great minds and engineers and mathematicians worked with us on achieving these goals and we’re really doing great, but at some point, I was starting to wonder, or maybe it’s not wonder, it’s more getting frustrated by the sheer volume of brain power that goes into showing you a loose belly fat ad. I really wanted to do something else. Instinctively, the ad trading and the online marketing of the online ad exchanges sounded close enough, in my unprofessional opinion, sound close enough to real stock trading, so that’s the direction I decided to try. I really liked it. I started trading using discretion manual trading. I still remember to this day the moment where I lost about $3,000 in a second. Let me just explain that the $3,000 really do hurt as much as the second.
Adam DeGraide:
I think I just lost $3,000 a second ago too because this stock market has been terrible. Anyway, keep going.
Ran Aroussi:
Yeah, it’s the second that the fact that things were moving too fast for me to even react that I just didn’t have any chance of reacting. Even if I know exactly what to do, there’s just no time. Also, it’s not for me just sitting in front of the computer all day, staring at a chart, looking for patterns. I decided it’s going to be either fully automatic for me or not at all. When I tried to look at automating, I was pretty much amazed that this was a very low tech industry. You’ll see in movies trading works stations that look like hacker underground with tons of monitors and it looks very high techy, techy, but at the end of the day, most of the work is done in Excel. Coming from a very tech-oriented industry, I was expecting to have tools, and there weren’t any, so I started to create some of them. Everything that I’ve created for myself to facilitate my own trading, I released as an open source libraries.
Now, they’re getting about half a million installs every month, but it got me both exposed to and exposure to the whole algorithmic trading community. I realized that there’s also an opportunity, and this is really a product that I would like to see out there. I would really love to have a platform that will allow me, again, go back to the basis, just focus on the trading idea and not about all the other tech stuff that’s surrounded. The sad truth is that most of your trading ideas are not going to work okay. Otherwise, it can’t be too easy. Otherwise, everybody would make lots of money. You should at least have a platform that will allow you to vet ideas quickly instead of spending weeks and months on them before you’re realizing, “You know what? That’s crap. That’s not just going to cut it.” At least, you now have the ability to just vet ideas in minutes and move on.
Adam DeGraide:
I love it. I think that’s amazing. If I get you correctly, the courage you got to do this was you just weren’t so bright and you just figured, “Hey, you know what? I don’t know what I don’t know,” but there’s something about that. They call that a blissful ignorance, but at the end of the day, there is a spirit that underlies that says, “I’m going to go out and do something unique. I don’t know what I’m going to face, but I know when I face it, I can take it on,” because you want your listener, you can absolutely take on your own giant, you absolutely can beat yourself whatever your demons are, and if you’re fighting a big competitor, you can find out what their tactics are and you can flank them because people absolutely do it every day. They do it to me, I do it to them, and you can have a lot of fun doing it. Now, Ran, have you had a good time being on the David Vs Goliath podcast?
Ran Aroussi:
Oh, I had a great time. Lovely energy, too.
Adam DeGraide:
Would you like to come back some point in the future?
Ran Aroussi:
Sign me up.
Adam DeGraide:
Listen, man, it’s been a pleasure having you. How can people find you?
Ran Aroussi:
Just hop onto my website, tradologics.com, or find me on Twitter, my handle is my difficult to pronounce last name, Aroussi. Yeah, and I’ll see you there.
Adam DeGraide:
That’s awesome, man. Twitter’s back with a vengeance. I love Elon. Elon, keep it up. It’s so funny. I interviewed a guy yesterday, Ran, that said he was thinking about getting off Twitter, and I said, “Oh, what’s it matter? You have a hard time with free speech and other people’s opinions?” He was like… I’m like, “Well, maybe you should stay on Twitter.” He goes, “Okay.”
Ran Aroussi:
Yeah, you don’t have to follow them.
Adam DeGraide:
By the way, man, I don’t know what happened. I’m 51 years old. You can say anything to me. Anybody can come and tell me anything they want to tell me. I can take in what I think is okay, I can spit out what I think is not, and that’s beautiful about being an adult. Well, when you’re an adult, you can share free ideas and free expressions, and you can even disagree with somebody and still like them. Well, Ran, thank you so much for joining us on David Vs Goliath podcast. Guys, we’ll see you next week. Everyone have an awesome day.
